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	<title>Comments on: Audio books, conclusion: Rock stars, the dark side, back to the light, slow reading</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://johnmiedema.ca/2007/11/05/audio-books-conclusion-rock-stars-the-dark-side-back-to-the-light-slow-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-2226</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendell, your perception would make for an easy and interesting study -- simply record circulation numbers before and after a title is introduced as an audiobook. On a larger scale, the same study could be done with publisher sales. Both would indicate if digital counterparts increase or decrease the desire for print copies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendell, your perception would make for an easy and interesting study &#8212; simply record circulation numbers before and after a title is introduced as an audiobook. On a larger scale, the same study could be done with publisher sales. Both would indicate if digital counterparts increase or decrease the desire for print copies.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...

Somewhere in behind what you and Walt are talking about - private ownership of created content - is an interesting conversation on what libraries are for - or will be for as new mediums emerge.

Anyway, I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s still a minor issue.  My perception is that having books on tape or CD (two other easily copied mediums) hasn&#039;t hurt either book sales or the circulation numbers for hard-copy texts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>Somewhere in behind what you and Walt are talking about &#8211; private ownership of created content &#8211; is an interesting conversation on what libraries are for &#8211; or will be for as new mediums emerge.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s still a minor issue.  My perception is that having books on tape or CD (two other easily copied mediums) hasn&#8217;t hurt either book sales or the circulation numbers for hard-copy texts.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your patience and clarifications on copyright. I have more to say on the subject, but I need time to mull on it.

I&#039;ve been trying to listen to the first of the Massey lectures by Alberto Manguel on this iPod I was given. I&#039;ve had to re-start a few times after missing bits. It&#039;s not really doing the trick for me either. &quot;City of Words&quot;, the print version, is going on my Christmas list.

I did listen to a short podcast required for work; short recordings seem acceptable. It occurred to me that this is the same phenomenon as on-line print -- as long as it is a short snippet, for practical purposes, digital representation is acceptable. For anything else, print is preferable. I don&#039;t want to sound like a broken record, but this seems like further evidence that as long as a work is sufficiently rich or complex, the full length digital versions can only serve to increase sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your patience and clarifications on copyright. I have more to say on the subject, but I need time to mull on it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to listen to the first of the Massey lectures by Alberto Manguel on this iPod I was given. I&#8217;ve had to re-start a few times after missing bits. It&#8217;s not really doing the trick for me either. &#8220;City of Words&#8221;, the print version, is going on my Christmas list.</p>
<p>I did listen to a short podcast required for work; short recordings seem acceptable. It occurred to me that this is the same phenomenon as on-line print &#8212; as long as it is a short snippet, for practical purposes, digital representation is acceptable. For anything else, print is preferable. I don&#8217;t want to sound like a broken record, but this seems like further evidence that as long as a work is sufficiently rich or complex, the full length digital versions can only serve to increase sales.</p>
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		<title>By: walt crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, when I say anti-copyright folks, I mean &lt;b&gt;anti-copyright folks&lt;/b&gt;, those who don&#039;t believe creators or distributors should have &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; special rights once something has appeared. It&#039;s not a huge group, but it&#039;s vocal.

Creative Commons is a set of balances--offering creators to explicitly yield some rights while retaining others. I think CC is a great thing, and nearly all of my online content carries CC licenses (albeit not quite up to date).

Funny thing about audio. I&#039;d probably be a pretty decent narrator--I have an announcer&#039;s voice--but since I&#039;m no good at *listening* to podcasts and the like, it would never occur to me to *create* an audiobook (or a podcast). Doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t think they make sense--they just don&#039;t work for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, when I say anti-copyright folks, I mean <b>anti-copyright folks</b>, those who don&#8217;t believe creators or distributors should have <b>any</b> special rights once something has appeared. It&#8217;s not a huge group, but it&#8217;s vocal.</p>
<p>Creative Commons is a set of balances&#8211;offering creators to explicitly yield some rights while retaining others. I think CC is a great thing, and nearly all of my online content carries CC licenses (albeit not quite up to date).</p>
<p>Funny thing about audio. I&#8217;d probably be a pretty decent narrator&#8211;I have an announcer&#8217;s voice&#8211;but since I&#8217;m no good at *listening* to podcasts and the like, it would never occur to me to *create* an audiobook (or a podcast). Doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t think they make sense&#8211;they just don&#8217;t work for me.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was unaware of Baen Free Library. Thanks for mentioning it. For anyone else who is interested, check out: http://www.baen.com/library/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was unaware of Baen Free Library. Thanks for mentioning it. For anyone else who is interested, check out: <a href="http://www.baen.com/library/" rel="nofollow">http://www.baen.com/library/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Walt. I suppose even the &quot;anti-copyright&quot; folks still want to get at least recognition for their art, right? So they&#039;re not really against copyright, just want to see it opened up, at least in some cases, for their own benefit. I support that view. I suppose we&#039;re just talking about Creative Commons licensing here.

As you say, no writer should feel compelled to give away their work, and I don&#039;t think any publisher would want to feel forced either. As I see it, it&#039;s a marketing strategy to promote sales. It won&#039;t work for all kinds of books. I will read a short piece on-line any day before dishing out a penny for it. It&#039;s only the more substantial works that would benefit from this approach.

I would never have read &quot;Balanced Libraries&quot; on a screen, just in print. Would I have bought it if I could have heard it for free in audio? Hmmm, depends the narrator I suppose. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Walt. I suppose even the &#8220;anti-copyright&#8221; folks still want to get at least recognition for their art, right? So they&#8217;re not really against copyright, just want to see it opened up, at least in some cases, for their own benefit. I support that view. I suppose we&#8217;re just talking about Creative Commons licensing here.</p>
<p>As you say, no writer should feel compelled to give away their work, and I don&#8217;t think any publisher would want to feel forced either. As I see it, it&#8217;s a marketing strategy to promote sales. It won&#8217;t work for all kinds of books. I will read a short piece on-line any day before dishing out a penny for it. It&#8217;s only the more substantial works that would benefit from this approach.</p>
<p>I would never have read &#8220;Balanced Libraries&#8221; on a screen, just in print. Would I have bought it if I could have heard it for free in audio? Hmmm, depends the narrator I suppose. <img src='http://johnmiedema.ca/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: walt crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>walt crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I said that badly. The theory of the anti-copyright folks is that popular musicians can make out just fine with live appearances and ancillary merchandise: If they get zero revenue from what used to be recordings, so what?

That&#039;s the model that just doesn&#039;t work for most authors, for the narrators that make audiobooks worth listening to (&quot;just throwing up&quot; an audiobook version of a book isn&#039;t all that easy, unless the robotic text-to-speech version is acceptable), for the producers that make it all work.

Cory Doctorow and Baen Books have generally found that giving it away works. I&#039;m guessing that in niche markets that just might not be true--and in any case, I don&#039;t feel that people should be compelled to give it away. Speaking personally, it&#039;s not whether I can make all of my living (clearly not) as opposed to part of it from published writing--it&#039;s whether I can get enough return on my investment in time to make it worthwhile. For truly creative works, maybe the creation is reward enough; for a lot of worthwhile nonfiction, that&#039;s just not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I said that badly. The theory of the anti-copyright folks is that popular musicians can make out just fine with live appearances and ancillary merchandise: If they get zero revenue from what used to be recordings, so what?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the model that just doesn&#8217;t work for most authors, for the narrators that make audiobooks worth listening to (&#8220;just throwing up&#8221; an audiobook version of a book isn&#8217;t all that easy, unless the robotic text-to-speech version is acceptable), for the producers that make it all work.</p>
<p>Cory Doctorow and Baen Books have generally found that giving it away works. I&#8217;m guessing that in niche markets that just might not be true&#8211;and in any case, I don&#8217;t feel that people should be compelled to give it away. Speaking personally, it&#8217;s not whether I can make all of my living (clearly not) as opposed to part of it from published writing&#8211;it&#8217;s whether I can get enough return on my investment in time to make it worthwhile. For truly creative works, maybe the creation is reward enough; for a lot of worthwhile nonfiction, that&#8217;s just not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you were able to convert it that easily? Very cool. That will be on my to-do list for this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you were able to convert it that easily? Very cool. That will be on my to-do list for this week.</p>
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